Time to say Bye for 'The Wall '

[Leader]

why???

just look at the bowlers from sunny's time and sachin's.. anyways with stats, no body can argue against sachin..

Kapil-nte batting alpam masala cherthallathe pokki parayan pattumo?
If you read once again you can find my rating on whos the best batsman in test, Gavaskar marginally above Tendulakr.

But Sachin played in more grnds and agnst more bowlers and when technology is far more superior. (All these are diffrent situation, you may understand) Sachin is a player who played during the transformation of the game and adopted very well with a perfect balance.This also need to be considered.

[Day Dreamer]

Coming to the comparison on their away performances front. Let us first look at their averages in the respective countries:
(figures in bold denote the higher of the two averages) - 1st Table

1st table highlights the disparity between the 2 batsmen in full glow. There really is no need for me to even explain the implications. But there maybe a few doubters who feel that it is unfair to compare the 2 players as Sachin began his career as a 16 year old, and hence more prone to failings in his early years. The 2nd table comes to to dispel this very doubt. It shows the averages of the 2 players since Dravid’s debut - 1996-06-20.

Now we come to the final lap of the proof. Let us look at the performances of the 2 players with respect to the match results. (post-Dravid’s debut) in 3rd table.

This table makes the picture clearer. Dravid has played 21 innings that helped his team won and 26 that helped them draw – a total of 47. Sachin, on the other hand, has played 38 innings which have either helped India win or draw. But the number which proves who has been the more valuable and influential player for India is the average when India loses. Sachin is nearly 40 with 15 innings of his that failed to help the team, while Dravid languishes at an average of 29 and just 9 innings. If Dravid bats well, India does well. If he doesn’t, India doesn’t. That is the true indicator of an MVP.

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Kapil-nte batting alpam masala cherthallathe pokki parayan pattumo?
If you read once again you can find my rating on whos the best batsman in test, Gavaskar marginally above Tendulakr.

But Sachin played in more grnds and agnst more bowlers and when technology is far more superior. (All these are diffrent situation, you may understand) Sachin is a player who played during the transformation of the game and adopted very well with a perfect balance.This also need to be considered.

I said as an overall player, kapil had bigger impact.. Kapil's batting is not the highlight.. to understand his greatnes, he is still our one an only true allrounder.. Have we ever come near to producing another Kapil??
As a batsmen for all formats, no one wud even come close to Sachin.. Records do not lie and his longevity is proof of that..

My argument is Sunny thrived during an era, when cricket had its greatest bowlers.. no body can deny that.. The protective equipments were much less. the protection from the umpires were also less. The pitches were much more livelier.. India were still trying to make a real mark in the game..

And what do u mean by transpormation of the agme.. If at all there has been transformation, it has only made life easier for the batsmen in general..

[Leader]

Coming to the comparison on their away performances front. Let us first look at their averages in the respective countries:
(figures in bold denote the higher of the two averages) - 1st Table

1st table highlights the disparity between the 2 batsmen in full glow. There really is no need for me to even explain the implications. But there maybe a few doubters who feel that it is unfair to compare the 2 players as Sachin began his career as a 16 year old, and hence more prone to failings in his early years. The 2nd table comes to to dispel this very doubt. It shows the averages of the 2 players since Dravid’s debut - 1996-06-20.

Now we come to the final lap of the proof. Let us look at the performances of the 2 players with respect to the match results. (post-Dravid’s debut) in 3rd table.

This table makes the picture clearer. Dravid has played 21 innings that helped his team won and 26 that helped them draw – a total of 47. Sachin, on the other hand, has played 38 innings which have either helped India win or draw. But the number which proves who has been the more valuable and influential player for India is the average when India loses. Sachin is nearly 40 with 15 innings of his that failed to help the team, while Dravid languishes at an average of 29 and just 9 innings. If Dravid bats well, India does well. If he doesn’t, India doesn’t. That is the true indicator of an MVP.

pls post from Cricinfo, Sachin avg in NS is lesser here, I feel CricInfo is far superior in stats.

pinne team jayikkunnathu collective performance anu, indibidual alla, ottakku test jayippikkan sachinu pattilla, Gavaskarinum pattilla, Dravidnum pattilla. pinne alpam enkilum athu oppicha Indian player Kumble mathram

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evidunnu kittiyede ee kallakanakku..... AUS nethire Dravid averages less tha 50 alle? please post accurate results and argue. Correct me if I am wrong but with reputed source

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pls post from Cricinfo, Sachin avg in NS is lesser here, I feel CricInfo is far superior in stats.

pinne team jayikkunnathu collective performance anu, indibidual alla, ottakku test jayippikkan sachinu pattilla, Gavaskarinum pattilla, Dravidnum pattilla. pinne alpam enkilum athu oppicha Indian player Kumble mathram

If we can get a comparison of contribution of indian players (batsmen & bowlers) in victory, i wud luv to see wher kumble and sachin stand..

[Leader]

I said as an overall player, kapil had bigger impact.. Kapil's batting is not the highlight.. to understand his greatnes, he is still our one an only true allrounder.. Have we ever come near to producing another Kapil??
As a batsmen for all formats, no one wud even come close to Sachin.. Records do not lie and his longevity is proof of that..

My argument is Sunny thrived during an era, when cricket had its greatest bowlers.. no body can deny that.. The protective equipments were much less. the protection from the umpires were also less. The pitches were much more livelier.. India were still trying to make a real mark in the game..

And what do u mean by transpormation of the agme.. If at all there has been transformation, it has only made life easier for the batsmen in general..

No much difference with frst 2 para.
Transformation is not that easy where Dravid , manjarekkar, Kambi and even Azhar in his last phase were not able to copup with. New generation players (after 2000) didnt have any issues.

[Dylan]

I said as an overall player, kapil had bigger impact.. Kapil's batting is not the highlight.. to understand his greatnes, he is still our one an only true allrounder.. Have we ever come near to producing another Kapil??
As a batsmen for all formats, no one wud even come close to Sachin.. Records do not lie and his longevity is proof of that..

My argument is Sunny thrived during an era, when cricket had its greatest bowlers.. no body can deny that.. The protective equipments were much less. the protection from the umpires were also less. The pitches were much more livelier.. India were still trying to make a real mark in the game..

And what do u mean by transpormation of the agme.. If at all there has been transformation, it has only made life easier for the batsmen in general..

further, gavaskar negotiated the likes of garner, marhsall, roberts, holding, lillee and thomson without a helmet... pazhaya footage okke kaanumbo, especially with the west indians in full cry, sends a chill down the spine... hitting out and scoring a quick 30-40 is one thing... battling serious pace and a 5-slip cordon with proper cricketing shots and scoring hundreds is another... in my book, gavaskar edges past tendulkar but only just.

[Leader]

further, gavaskar negotiated the likes of garner, marhsall, roberts, holding, lillee and thomson without a helmet... pazhaya footage okke kaanumbo, especially with the west indians in full cry, sends a chill down the spine... hitting out and scoring a quick 30-40 is one thing... battling serious pace and a 5-slip cordon with proper cricketing shots and scoring hundreds is another... in my book, gavaskar edges past tendulkar but only just.

helmet illathathu ayalde guts. but vere ethandoru oru sadanam undarunnu, kandittille orumathiri oru samanam.

[Leader]

If we can get a comparison of contribution of indian players (batsmen & bowlers) in victory, i wud luv to see wher kumble and sachin stand..

I dont belive 'match winner' in tests , thogh Kumble can be considered as a march winner, without him no tests for us. We missed greatest captiancy also, he could have been a great caption.
adya sachin parekashana parajayathinu sesham Kumbleye akkanamayirunnu

[Dylan]

helmet illathathu ayalde guts. but vere ethandoru oru sadanam undarunnu, kandittille orumathiri oru samanam.

yeah, skull cap... he started using it in the early/mid-80s, I think...